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Message 1464 - Posted: 3 May 2006, 14:42:25 UTC

Seems ever since they took the Ralph servers down and installed the new BOINC server version, the user of the day has not changed.

Is there a process that needs to be started?
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Message 1465 - Posted: 3 May 2006, 17:15:07 UTC - in response to Message 1464.  

Seems ever since they took the Ralph servers down and installed the new BOINC server version, the user of the day has not changed.

Is there a process that needs to be started?

This has already been reported as a result of posts in a separate thread
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Message 1548 - Posted: 9 May 2006, 9:17:53 UTC - in response to Message 1465.  

This has already been reported as a result of posts in a separate thread


Glad to know it has already been reported. It means people care.
No need to tell us when it will be FIXED we will notice.




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Message 1565 - Posted: 10 May 2006, 9:37:29 UTC
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We will also notice how long it takes to get fixed.
It\'s been a week already.

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Message 1566 - Posted: 10 May 2006, 18:44:02 UTC - in response to Message 1565.  

We will also notice how long it takes to get fixed.
It\'s been a week already.


Actually it has already been a month. But it is not likely to get fixed any time soon as it has nothing to do with the purpose of the RALPH ALPHA testing. The focus here is on testing new Work Unit types, applications versions, and approaches to the science. None of the competitive aspects of the BOINC world are important for RALPH and no energy is spent in addressing problems in those areas.

I can assure you that the system administrator currently is working on more important issues. Should he become particularly bored at some point he may try to fix the User of the Day display, but it will be some time before that happens.

It is my understanding the UOTD function is not turned off but that something is wrong with the implementation of the function in the version of the server software running on RALPH. So it is not as simple as flipping a switch. In any case it has no impact on the functional testing conducted on RALPH.

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Message 1571 - Posted: 10 May 2006, 23:20:00 UTC - in response to Message 1566.  

(...)it is not likely to get fixed any time soon as it has nothing to do with the purpose of the RALPH ALPHA testing. (...)None of the competitive aspects of the BOINC world are important for RALPH and no energy is spent in addressing problems in those areas.

I can assure you that the system administrator currently is working on more important issues. Should he become particularly bored at some point he may try to fix the User of the Day display, but it will be some time before that happens.
(...) In any case it has no impact on the functional testing conducted on RALPH.


Nice. I must confess I was not expecting this tired old answer. Or attitude!

Soooo.... We volunteers are supposed to crunch and shut-up... This is rather a strong departure from the tone of the Rosetta Newsletter \"Thank you for your past participation, and we hope you can provide additional support to Rosetta@home in the future.\"

Whith this kind of attitude, my reaction is to tell you that both Rosetta and Ralph can kiss my support good bye. There are plenty of projects out there that do show appreciation for the support.


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Message 1573 - Posted: 11 May 2006, 0:56:30 UTC - in response to Message 1571.  
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...Nice. I must confess I was not expecting this tired old answer. Or attitude!

Soooo.... We volunteers are supposed to crunch and shut-up... This is rather a strong departure from the tone of the Rosetta Newsletter \"Thank you for your past participation, and we hope you can provide additional support to Rosetta@home in the future.\"

Whith this kind of attitude, my reaction is to tell you that both Rosetta and Ralph can kiss my support good bye. There are plenty of projects out there that do show appreciation for the support.


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It is clear that you have misunderstood the content or tone of my post. May I direct your attention to this thread and this page of RALPH information.

RALPH is NOT a production environment. As such many things that are considered aesthetics are not priority issues for repair or change. The User of the day function is just such an item.

When you are attached to RALPH here will not be a steady stream of work. There will be times that your system may crash. You will not always get credits for any processing that is done. Team scores may be inaccurate, statistics feeds may not work or may be turned off at any time, the entire data base credits and all may be purged from time to time. The application and the work units run on RALPH may impact other projects you may be running.

None of these things should (or do) occur on Rosetta, as Rosetta is a production environment. Had the User of the day function been damaged on Rosetta, it would be fixed immediately, because that is where the project focuses its support for such functions. I am sorry if this offends you but ALPHA testing is not for everyone.

The User of the day problem has been reported to the project administrators (more than once). I am sorry if providing you with an honest answer to your question does not satisfy your needs, but I will not provide any user with false hope for a change, only to have to explain later why nothing happened to fix their problem.

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Message 1575 - Posted: 11 May 2006, 2:20:04 UTC - in response to Message 1573.  

It is clear that you have misunderstood the content or tone of my post. May I direct your attention to this thread and this page of RALPH information.


I\'m pretty sure I got the tone right.
But that\'s inconsequential.
This last answer is the one that should have come first.

It is my mistake for not reading more about Ralph.
If I had, I would never have crunched a second for the project.

I can accept the risks of alpha testing. Up to the point of burning out my PC.
Participating is a voluntary choice.

However it is my belief/opinion, that the environment in wich we participate, the board, with profiles, and stats and fora are not alpha. The credits are not alpha. A project should never loose sight of the fact that all volunteers do pay (electricity at least) to participate. Telling them that the roof leaks and the broken windows get boarded shut are the rules in the alpha hovel is not my idea of a reward or a thank you.

In any case, as you pointed out, it is clearly stated in the project definition and therefore I apologize for these postings and will show myself out.

I have suspended Ralph. Rosetta will remain.

Good Day.
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Message 1576 - Posted: 11 May 2006, 4:20:31 UTC - in response to Message 1575.  

...I\'m pretty sure I got the tone right.
But that\'s inconsequential.
This last answer is the one that should have come first.
...

You have nothing to apologize for. It was my fault. I was in a hurry and gave a shorter answer than I would normally. A new version of the Rosetta application had just been released when I found your message and I was hurrying to get a lot of things done, but did not want you to think you were being ignored..
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Message 2661 - Posted: 4 Jan 2007, 4:02:38 UTC

Can you explain to me how UOTD, Is a Competitive issue exactly ? Who would the UOTD be competing against ? It has always been my understanding, That a projects UOTD was a way of the project to show appreciation to all the users, By picking one out, And making them UOTD. How is that to be considered asthetic or not a priority issue ? Is David Baker in agreement with the following statement ? :

I can assure you that the system administrator currently is working on more important issues. Should he become particularly bored at some point he may try to fix the User of the Day display, but it will be some time before that happens.
(...) In any case it has no impact on the functional testing conducted on RALPH.


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