HM, could it be, that there is now no text to see ?

Take a look:

http://yeti.kor.b-s-m.de/rosetta_5_11.gif
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Supporting BOINC, a great concept !

I have a bigger problem; at the moment it looks like RALPH-Wus are causing the problem.

One of my maschines is a Win2K3-Server, running Exchange, Fax-Server, Virtual-Server and several more things. This box war crunching BOINC since nearly one year and I never had problems. The box has 2x XENON-CPU (HT), 3 GHz and 4 GHz of memory.

The box was allowed to run BOINC-Tasks on 3 of the 4 virtuel CPUs.

Yesterday I could see, that a lot of mails where not in my personal mailbox, but I could see them arriving on the server. When I suspended BOINC, all outstanding mails arrived in less than 1 minute in my personal mailbox.

Well, first I thought, QMC was the problem, because in the past, sometimes QMC didn\'t like to give crunching power back to other tasks.

Meanwhile I had only RALPH-5.11-er-Units on the server, one was taking a big amount of memory. The same behaviour as yesterday happened, Mails didn\'t arrive in my personal mailbox, that should have been there. When I suspended BOINC, nothing changed, but as I stopped the service, all mails came again in 1 minute into my personal mailbox.

So, it can be the core client or RALPH that is causing the problem.

I will let this box crunch other projects and see, if the problem comes back or not.

Would be interesting, if someone else is watching some problems, maybe a possible memory leak in RALPH ?

I canceled following WUs now:

http://ralph.bakerlab.org/result.php?resultid=107134

http://ralph.bakerlab.org/result.php?resultid=107115

http://ralph.bakerlab.org/result.php?resultid=107025


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Supporting BOINC, a great concept !

It\'s a bit frustrating to sign back onto this project, to find there is no work available. Although I am continuing to crunch Rosetta@home, this lack of Ralph work perhaps gives the impression that Ralph already has enough testers. However, perhaps I am a bit too impatient, and your intent is to send out sufficient work to test your new applications, without creating unnecessary additional \"make work\" just to keep people busy. I certainly would not want to do \"make work\" when my resources could be spent elsewhere such as Rosetta@home doing necessary work.

Thanks!
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...perhaps... your intent is to send out sufficient work to test your new applications, without creating unnecessary additional \"make work\" just to keep people busy.

I\'ve suggested that if a given application version proves valid, then go ahead and USE the results for the science, and then they could keep a small but steady stream of WUs on Ralph and allow debts to be worked down and make things run more normally...

I have a bigger problem; at the moment it looks like RALPH-Wus are causing the problem.

One of my machines is a Win2K3-Server, running Exchange, Fax-Server, Virtual-Server and several more things. This box was crunching BOINC since nearly one year and I never had problems. The box has 2x XENON-CPU (HT), 3 GHz and 4 GHz of memory.

The box was allowed to run BOINC-Tasks on 3 of the 4 virtual CPUs.

etc....

Version 5.12 Display.

On the Mac version you almost have it. Although the WU has not run long enough to get to the second model (where the problems usually start), all but the lowest lines are now showing. The lowest line displayed is the RMSD. All information below that is cut off (no project name or energy).
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I noticed the goofy graphics. I also noticed that it\'s not universally 5.12. the 5.12 AB_CASP6 WU don\'t seem to have the problem. I don\'t have a list of the ones that do show problems, but I\'ll start a log. I might even capture a pic. If I have any 5.12 left, that is.

tony

Notice, my screen is set to full,not minimized.


then see this WU where everything seems normal at the bottom, but look at \"accepted energy\" analog display is out of the box. Also, note the single line of text beneath it. If more lines occur later, I\'ll repost a new pic of this wu.

And this one seems OK as well.

The first two pics of my last post were taken from the same puter. I managed to get the first one as it was finishing. I took the second one after it started
the new wu. Both were captured using \"show graphics\" and set to full display.

P.S sorry for breaking the forum, you may delete the pics after they\'ve been helpful. As you can see from the last pic, I figured out how to make them smaller

Neal and Yeti, we haven\'t changed anything in 5.10 that should eat up more memory, and certainly nothing should affect your internet access! If it is a memory issue, help is on the way -- our group has been making a concerted effort to trim the fat off rosetta, so that the memory footprint of many jobs will be reduced significantly, in some cases by a half! If you happen to get more information on how ralph or BOINC in general might be messing up your machines, please post.

Here\'s a follow up on the WU from the middle pic below/above. Now the bottom is missing info. I stopped staring at it, and after the screensaver kicked in, I moved
the mouse. The \"full sized\" display that was showing was now, magically shown as a \"minimized\" box, I opened the box back to \"full\" and.....Do\'h I forgot to resize it.
Note: this did not occur with the WU from the third pic when it went to screensaver and then back to a minimized display. It\'s got to be something about that particular
version, version types?.

this wu just went to screensaver, and I captured the following progression.

Notice how the middle pic looks right? If I change it from full to min, it also looks right.

In screensaver mode:


After moving mouse:


after restoring to full display:

I\'m running both Rosetta 5.07 and Ralph_Beta 5.11 and so far only the Ralph version is causing me problems. Anything unusual done since 5.07? When Ralph is running, my local printing is down and I can\'t access the machine with PCAnywhere from home via the internet. Within 15 seconds from when Ralph ends, both the printing and internet access start to work again. It doesn\'t seem to be a memory problem, but twice when the screen saver activated with Ralph running, I could not stop it. I have the task bar in \'auto hide\' mode, and it would not display. After Ralph stopped and another Boinc project started (ClimatePrediction) the computer resumed normal operation. Any other things I could do to isolate the possible problem? Neal.

Not sure if this is totally related, though hmm... With 5.11 and now 5.12, when the rossetabeta process is running, I\'m noticing more sluggish performance when starting my media player to listen to an MP3 file, watch a torrent, whatever... It\'s gone from the media file being ready right away, to a wait for \"loading audio system...\" Never seemed to run into this before version 5.11, or with other projects only being loaded in memory.

I updated the media player last night, and all seemed fine for awhile. Today, it\'s got a 10+ sec delay, whereas last night it didn\'t when I was crunching other stuff/no RALPH units for the app to be in memory. As the priority should be just as low with BOINC, I\'m surprised/mystified about this noticing as well, or what to believe of it Humph... I\'ll need to do further testing myself to even begin to try to make heads/tails of this.
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OK, I did some further checks. I went to uninstall the media player, at which point there was a long delay for even the control panel to open up while RALPH was running. It then wanted a reboot, so I let it. Making sure the prog directory is deleted so it would get a clean fresh install of the newer version (not that the older had given me this problem in like 6 months of useage), I then installed, it rebooted, and BOINC scheduled an Einstein unit to run, using (well I\'m using) akosf\'s u41.04 science app.

It loaded up normally, no wait times, performance delays, or anything. So, I suspended Einstein, and forced it over to a RALPH WU after shutting down. I then tried to open the same exact media file again, and the performance delay/wait time was reintroduced.

As these were the only 2 projects loaded thus far, there was less in memory this time then before. (Before I had QMC, CPDN, seasonal attribution, as well as crunch3r\'s SETI app loaded.) With all of that loaded, that only represented 711 MB of memory allocation according to Task Manager, and this computer has 1 GB of RAM. Right now, with this memory allocation is only 402 MB.

In the past (though it could be worth a check again), without RALPH, but having both CPDN and seasonal attribution loaded (which are real taxing on the memory useage), I hadn\'t seen this. The RALPH app 5.11 and up does appear to be the difference between the performance delay on doing other stuff invoked vs. not invoked. Not sure if anyone else has noticed this or not...

Further note: Resuming Einstein didn\'t fix this performance drag, though shutting down BOINC and restarting it, so Ralph 5.12 wasn\'t loaded in RAM did fix it however...

Comp:

- Athlon 64 3500+ Venice core (socket 939)
- 1 GB Corsair 400 Pro DDR (2x 512 MB DIMMs)
- MSI Neo 2 (nForce 3 chipset)
- LVD SCSI HDs (Seagate Cheetahs), connected through an Adaptec SCSI card 29160
- Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2

Not sure if the other components would matter for a performance standpoint, though temp wise, things are kept nice and cool due to a fair number of fans and a Swifttech HSF, and Arctic Silver 5 thermal paste...
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Hm, the performance-problem related to screensaver or not:

I\'m running BOINC as a service, with a specialized user-account; so no screensaver is available on my system, that had problems.


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Supporting BOINC, a great concept !

I\'m definitely not running screensaver, though am running as a single user install...
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Something different to slow performance, has anyone else had the problem of very short completion times for Ralph 5.12 workunits?
I just received 19 WU\'s (I have a 2 day cache) and the system has given me only 4 days (till 13th May) to complete them. I am using a dual AMD 848 machine and have suspended work for Einstein and Rosetta on this machine so that Ralph will have enough time to complete all the workunits. They were stamped with completion times of 4 hours 58 minutes each though this has now reduced to 4 hours 34 minutes each. this means I will get through about 4 to 5 per day per cpu.
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Here\'s one I see tonite. I have no background on this one:

I experienced problem with resizing in windowed screensaver mode, still running 5.10... Is it fixed in 5.12? And a suggestion: would be nice to see what the lowest found RMSD/Energy was over each model!
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The following 4 pics are of the same wu. I\'m only moving the right hand side of the Ralph box and clicking another picture. At some point the bottom scrolls off the screen.

This is anecdotal only, but having seen Son Goku\'s post I will chip in that I too have seen my system get noticeably sluggish when Ralph is loaded,
only since about 5.11 or 5.12. I\'ve been running BOINC over a year with the same hardware (P4, HT restricted to one pseudo-cpu, 1GB memory)
and this hasn\'t happened before, and there are other projects I run like WCGrid\'s FightAids@Home which use more memory (virtual and not)
which don\'t cause this. I don\'t understand the reason, unless Task Mgr lies about memory and VM sizes (quite possible)...
but I\'ve had things happen like my specific applications consistently failing or small applications taking huge amounts of time to start up,
only once I have let Ralph run. Even if Ralph is not currently running, as long as it has run and is still in memory.

I know this sounds a bit nuts but I\'ve watched it several times by going through the sequence from boot up with all boinc projects suspended,
enabling different combinations of projects -- including combinations which add up to more memory usage -- and watching things flake out
as soon as Ralph has loaded and only when Ralph is loaded, with no other evidence of problems with the box.

Out of time to pursue it more, and I\'ll probably NNW Ralph for a while as I need this machine to function properly, and this problem seems like
a Twilight Zone ep. If more than one or two of us are affected I\'m happy to pursue it further when I get some time.

p.s. I do use the screen saver, going to blank screen after 5 minutes. Occasionally I\'ll run the graphics manually but not often. Single-user install.
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Well, I do think a 1 liner is cutting things a little too tight for WU description, however there does come a point where large gfx can mount up...

BTW, just having the window not maximized, and then doing an (alt + print screen), will just copy the current app window to the clipboard, rather then the whole desktop. This would cut the start menu, and other such Windows items outa the screen capture...
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Hello, in this screen i can\'t see the text in its entirety.

TEST_HOMOLOG_ABRELAX_hom008_1fna__503_3_0 using rosetta_beta version 512
And i see problems with Accepted Energy and RMSD.
Sorry for my bad english



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