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Message 43 - Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 13:50:08 UTC

The register page says that one can use the existing boinc account. But I can\'t attach to RALPH with my existing account and have to create a new one....
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Message 44 - Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 13:53:50 UTC

Not a bug - this is a different project than the Rosetta@home - you need to create a new account first.
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Message 45 - Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 13:55:41 UTC - in response to Message 44.  

Not a bug - this is a different project than the Rosetta@home - you need to create a new account first.


I\'m sorry but it is a bug if the registering page says you don\'t have to register new....
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Message 47 - Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 14:36:17 UTC

What\'s the URL of the page in question... I can\'t find that msg...
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Message 48 - Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 14:41:58 UTC - in response to Message 47.  

What\'s the URL of the page in question... I can\'t find that msg...


http://www.ralph.bakerlab.org/create_account_form.php

\"NOTE: If you use BOINC version 5.2+ with the BOINC Manager, don\'t use this form. Just run BOINC, select Attach Project, and enter an email address and password.\"

That\'s missleading....


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Message 61 - Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 18:42:28 UTC - in response to Message 48.  



http://www.ralph.bakerlab.org/create_account_form.php

\"NOTE: If you use BOINC version 5.2+ with the BOINC Manager, don\'t use this form. Just run BOINC, select Attach Project, and enter an email address and password.\"

That\'s missleading....


This is the new way of attaching to a project. You no longer have to go to each project website and create an account. It can be done via the BOINC manager since version 5.2 It eliminates the need for the cut and past of the account keys or sending them to you to only be blocked by your internet provider.

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Message 76 - Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 21:35:37 UTC - in response to Message 61.  



http://www.ralph.bakerlab.org/create_account_form.php

\"NOTE: If you use BOINC version 5.2+ with the BOINC Manager, don\'t use this form. Just run BOINC, select Attach Project, and enter an email address and password.\"

That\'s missleading....


This is the new way of attaching to a project. You no longer have to go to each project website and create an account. It can be done via the BOINC manager since version 5.2 It eliminates the need for the cut and past of the account keys or sending them to you to only be blocked by your internet provider.



I know this because I\'m doing some boinc projects right now. But for RALPH you have to register first and so the above sentence is missleading. Got me now?
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Message 81 - Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 22:12:06 UTC - in response to Message 76.  



http://www.ralph.bakerlab.org/create_account_form.php

\"NOTE: If you use BOINC version 5.2+ with the BOINC Manager, don\'t use this form. Just run BOINC, select Attach Project, and enter an email address and password.\"

That\'s missleading....


This is the new way of attaching to a project. You no longer have to go to each project website and create an account. It can be done via the BOINC manager since version 5.2 It eliminates the need for the cut and past of the account keys or sending them to you to only be blocked by your internet provider.



I know this because I\'m doing some boinc projects right now. But for RALPH you have to register first and so the above sentence is missleading. Got me now?


Technically it is correct. As is the case with all BOINC projects you must create and ID and then attach. What they are trying to do is get people to use the new method, where the BOINC client will perform both functions. When you enter the e-mail and password in the BOINC client, if the ID does not exist it will create it and attach the computer. If the ID does exist it will simply attach the the existing ID. I would agree the wording may be confusing to some, but the idea is to get people to use the BOINC client attachment system.

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Message 83 - Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 22:20:33 UTC - in response to Message 81.  



http://www.ralph.bakerlab.org/create_account_form.php

\"NOTE: If you use BOINC version 5.2+ with the BOINC Manager, don\'t use this form. Just run BOINC, select Attach Project, and enter an email address and password.\"

That\'s missleading....


This is the new way of attaching to a project. You no longer have to go to each project website and create an account. It can be done via the BOINC manager since version 5.2 It eliminates the need for the cut and past of the account keys or sending them to you to only be blocked by your internet provider.



I know this because I\'m doing some boinc projects right now. But for RALPH you have to register first and so the above sentence is missleading. Got me now?


Technically it is correct. As is the case with all BOINC projects you must create and ID and then attach. What they are trying to do is get people to use the new method, where the BOINC client will perform both functions. When you enter the e-mail and password in the BOINC client, if the ID does not exist it will create it and attach the computer. If the ID does exist it will simply attach the the existing ID. I would agree the wording may be confusing to some, but the idea is to get people to use the BOINC client attachment system.

And this exactly DOESN\'T work... I tried to register one machine at RALPH with my existing boinc account and it doesn\'t work. I then tried to register with a new nick and e-mail and it doesn\'t work. So I registered at the Ralph homepage with a new nick and e-mail and then was able to attach one machine to Ralph....
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Message 89 - Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 23:04:43 UTC

It does work I signed upto it on BOINC with the URL, comes up as new user enter email address and a password you want and done, if an existing user which I am now I would click the existing user button and enter email and password
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Message 99 - Posted: 17 Feb 2006, 1:13:06 UTC

I tried signing up with a new email and it didn\'t work. Eventually I manually created the account, and then I was able sign up with the (now existing) account.
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Message 116 - Posted: 17 Feb 2006, 4:25:35 UTC

\"NOTE: If you use BOINC version 5.2+ with the BOINC Manager, don\'t use this form. Just run BOINC, select Attach Project, and enter an email address and password.\"

That\'s missleading....




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Message 118 - Posted: 17 Feb 2006, 4:41:01 UTC

If we look at the Boinc version numbers 5.2.6. We see the first number, in this case it\'s 5 (five). This first number is a \"major version\" number. The second number (two in this case) is the minor verion number. the last is the revision number.

When the Minor or second number is even then it\'s an approved/recommended release. When it\'s odd, then it\'s a developmental version number complete with bugs that we \"boinc Alpha testers\" are debugging. This doesn\'t apply to the project side software, but does apply to all client software (your boinc software).

Often third party optimizers grab the binary and run with it without the benefit of our debugging.

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PS boinc introduced the \"attachment wizard\" with the first major version 5 client.
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Message 128 - Posted: 17 Feb 2006, 5:31:20 UTC - in response to Message 83.  



http://www.ralph.bakerlab.org/create_account_form.php

\"NOTE: If you use BOINC version 5.2+ with the BOINC Manager, don\'t use this form. Just run BOINC, select Attach Project, and enter an email address and password.\"

That\'s missleading....


This is the new way of attaching to a project. You no longer have to go to each project website and create an account. It can be done via the BOINC manager since version 5.2 It eliminates the need for the cut and past of the account keys or sending them to you to only be blocked by your internet provider.



I know this because I\'m doing some boinc projects right now. But for RALPH you have to register first and so the above sentence is missleading. Got me now?


Technically it is correct. As is the case with all BOINC projects you must create and ID and then attach. What they are trying to do is get people to use the new method, where the BOINC client will perform both functions. When you enter the e-mail and password in the BOINC client, if the ID does not exist it will create it and attach the computer. If the ID does exist it will simply attach the the existing ID. I would agree the wording may be confusing to some, but the idea is to get people to use the BOINC client attachment system.

And this exactly DOESN\'T work... I tried to register one machine at RALPH with my existing boinc account and it doesn\'t work. I then tried to register with a new nick and e-mail and it doesn\'t work. So I registered at the Ralph home-page with a new nick and e-mail and then was able to attach one machine to Ralph....


Correct you did not have an account at \"Ralph\" just because you had one with BOINC or any of the other projects including Rosetta. To start the Ralph project EVERYONE had to create a new account. But you can do that using the BOINC attach function, assuming you know the project web address. I know this works because that is how I created my ID for the test project. I went to the Ralph home page, and copied the address. Using the BOINC attach function (version 5.2.13) I selected attach to project in the menus, entered the required information (ID E-mail etc.), and it created the ID and opened the preferences page. I adjusted the preferences and it loaded the application and 8 work units.

Now it is true that if you are not using the current recommended version of BOINC this all may be different.

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Message 129 - Posted: 17 Feb 2006, 5:36:27 UTC - in response to Message 128.  

and it created the ID and opened the preferences page. I adjusted the preferences and it loaded the application and 8 work units.


AHeeeemmmm, You have 8 wus? shouldn\'t you be crunching those???? I see NO credits in your account. LOL

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Message 132 - Posted: 17 Feb 2006, 5:55:16 UTC - in response to Message 129.  
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and it created the ID and opened the preferences page. I adjusted the preferences and it loaded the application and 8 work units.


AHeeeemmmm, You have 8 wus? shouldn\'t you be crunching those???? I see NO credits in your account. LOL

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Well they are crunching under my user real ID, but they are set to 8 hours. So it will be a while before they finish because the system is also working on Rosetta, Predictor, Climate (sulpher), SETI, SETI Enhansed, and Einstein. I never try to do science under the Moderator ID. But it is a fair question.
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Message 136 - Posted: 17 Feb 2006, 6:02:20 UTC

I do think I understand running multiple projects.

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Message 138 - Posted: 17 Feb 2006, 6:08:13 UTC - in response to Message 136.  

I do think I understand running multiple projects.

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Hey, I saw the smile in you post, I was just \"yanking\" back. No offence intended.
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Message 343 - Posted: 20 Feb 2006, 1:12:30 UTC - in response to Message 43.  

The register page says that one can use the existing boinc account. But I can\'t attach to RALPH with my existing account and have to create a new one....


Hello,

Mine registered and did great with the 2 w/u received .

http://www.boincsynergy.com/images/stats/comb-1948.jpg



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Message 372 - Posted: 20 Feb 2006, 18:10:30 UTC - in response to Message 343.  

The register page says that one can use the existing boinc account. But I can\'t attach to RALPH with my existing account and have to create a new one....


Hello,

Mine registered and did great with the 2 w/u received .

http://www.boincsynergy.com/images/stats/comb-1948.jpg




Most people have no problem with this.

The language in question is a hang over from when SETI first converted to BOINC, and it is the same language used on all the projects. For the SETI Classic people they preloaded the account data, so you did not have to register as a new user during the conversion. If you were a first time SETI user you had to register.

So now the language is still in there as part of the BOINC baseline package, but it refers to the individual project not all of BOINC. When it was written there was only one BOINC project.

Now it relates to the specific project. So if you do not already have an account on a particular project, then you create an ID for it, if you already have an account for the project, then you don\'t.

While I would not call this a \"Bug\" because it is not a software problem, It can confuse people who think on a level other then the specific project. Since BOINC is an international environment, they really need to think globally when they wright these instructions, and make them as clear as possible.

In any case this is not a RALPH issue this is a BOINC issue, and should be reported there.

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